Bill Meltzer: Meltzer's Musings: Seven or Eight D?,

Bill Meltzer: Meltzer's Musings: Seven or Eight D?,
- bmeltzer

I still think that if Mezaros stays healthy he will be traded at some point this season. I also think Gill is both a decent insurance policy if Grossmann goes down and a good guy to have in the locker room.

Thank you for the clear explaination.
A little D-pressing, but I won't D-spair. D-spite D money maybe the D corps will D-liver this year.

I still think that if Mezaros stays healthy he will be traded at some point this season. I also think Gill is both a decent insurance policy if Grossmann goes down and a good guy to have in the locker room.
- BiggE

Agree on both fronts, BiggE.

Neither Mez or gus has shown a lot this preseason, but I would like to keep both. You never know when someone will get hurt. The trade deadline will be a perfect time to trade Mez. If he plays well everyone would love him and if he doesn't then we have gus in the waiting. Honestly we have to make people earn their spots more. I feel sometimes we give people the position just because. Its not bad to keep both and have competition between the two to try to keep the roster spot, because you know gus will come in for some games too. If both are motivated and have to play great to keep their spots (which should be the way), then they would push harder then ever and we will see who deserves to be on there. Plus with Gill( if they sign him) you have an experienced d man who can come in for injuries. You can never have to many nhl defensemen.

I didn't think they would be able to trade Meszaros before the season started.

Bill Meltzer: Meltzer's Musings: Seven or Eight D?,
- bmeltzer

wow...that's a lot of money for a bunch of crap!

Bill, please, stop about D-men injuries...

8 is realistic number based on history and physical condition.

the thing that is curious to me is that it seems everyone who used capgeek showed them to be 16,000 over after the demotions and on roster day they were under with the same moves. Or is there a flaw or incomplete method of assigning contracts in their software?

No wonder it was a non issue to Homer, he knew they were going to be under all along without paper demotions to Schenn or Couterier.

I agree the mix is wrong for the "system" the question is if the coach keeps forcing something that will not work and revert to a simpler system or find himself unemployed. The team not being ready game in and out year after year requring 1st period time outs and poor coverage
in the d zone tells me the cook and the ingredients are spoiling the stew.

Neither Mez or gus has shown a lot this preseason, but I would like to keep both. You never know when someone will get hurt. The trade deadline will be a perfect time to trade Mez. If he plays well everyone would love him and if he doesn't then we have gus in the waiting. Honestly we have to make people earn their spots more. I feel sometimes we give people the position just because. Its not bad to keep both and have competition between the two to try to keep the roster spot, because you know gus will come in for some games too. If both are motivated and have to play great to keep their spots (which should be the way), then they would push harder then ever and we will see who deserves to be on there. Plus with Gill( if they sign him) you have an experienced d man who can come in for injuries. You can never have to many nhl defensemen.
- steveromanowski

Teams often base roster spots on $$$$ they are paying the player rather than on performance, its the ego part of the gms and execs.

8 is realistic number based on history and physical condition.

the thing that is curious to me is that it seems everyone who used capgeek showed them to be 16,000 over after the demotions and on roster day they were under with the same moves. Or is there a flaw or incomplete method of assigning contracts in their software?

No wonder it was a non issue to Homer, he knew they were going to be under all along without paper demotions to Schenn or Couterier.

I agree the mix is wrong for the "system" the question is if the coach keeps forcing something that will not work and revert to a simpler system or find himself unemployed. The team not being ready game in and out year after year requring 1st period time outs and poor coverage
in the d zone tells me the cook and the ingredients are spoiling the stew.
- Steelmanpa

Capgeek was off by a few thousand bucks, but it remains the best tool possible.

Also, the Flyers used a little known loophole on Marc-Andre Bourdon, designating him as a non roster injured player, something I've never seen mentioned prior to yesterday, so I failed to figure it in my totals.

Bill, I have no idea what is really going to happen this year, but it sure feels like 2006 to me. I know Lavy is on the hot seat, but I think there is a good chance Homer goes too if this doesn't go well.

I think Mez will acquit himself well this year. Gus as well. What concerns me is not how much we are spending on defense but how the team has played as a whole. Because I have yet to see any return on the faith that many of us had that last year was an aberration. I am still seeing the same lack of cohesion that made defending a nightmare last year. If we have to overpay on defense, that's fine. As long as we are winning. If we are winning lots of other teams will start wondering if overpaying on d is the way to go.

I think Mez will acquit himself well this year. Gus as well. What concerns me is not how much we are spending on defense but how the team has played as a whole. Because I have yet to see any return on the faith that many of us had that last year was an aberration. I am still seeing the same lack of cohesion that made defending a nightmare last year. If we have to overpay on defense, that's fine. As long as we are winning. If we are winning lots of other teams will start wondering if overpaying on d is the way to go.
- flyler

It's Bryz's fault.

Capgeek was off by a few thousand bucks, but it remains the best tool possible.

Also, the Flyers used a little known loophole on Marc-Andre Bourdon, designating him as a non roster injured player, something I've never seen mentioned prior to yesterday, so I failed to figure it in my totals.
- Jsaquella

There's no way to account for what the Flyers did with Bourdon using the Capgeek calculator. The Flyers did the same thing with Bourdon last Season, and I discussed a few times on the board. Don't really know a lot of details about it and exactly how it works.Nor do I understand what the advantage of it is, versus sending him down to the AHL, where he is completely removed from the Cap.


Edit: Looking at Capgeek this morning, they have Bourdon on LTIR.

I thought the issue was you can't send injured players down to the AHL.

I thought the issue was you can't send injured players down to the AHL.
- Feanor

Could be. Maybe they had to put him through waivers in order to place him on LTIR.

the Flyers owned Patrick Roy

Bill Meltzer: Meltzer's Musings: Seven or Eight D?,
- bmeltzer

They'll likely get a lot more for Mesz at the trade deadline, so hanging on to him and building up his value is the right move.

Probably would have needed to trade a pick along with Mesz just to unload his contract now.

They'll likely get a lot more for Mesz at the trade deadline, so hanging on to him and building up his value is the right move.

Probably would have needed to trade a pick along with Mesz just to unload his contract now.
- bradleyc4

Agreed. What will probably end up happening is Meszaros will be injured in short order and end up going on LTIR. Since the Flyers wouldn't get anything of value for him anyway, the big caveat is clearing his cap hit.

They'll likely get a lot more for Mesz at the trade deadline, so hanging on to him and building up his value is the right move.

Probably would have needed to trade a pick along with Mesz just to unload his contract now.
- bradleyc4

Also not a bad idea to carry an extra NHL defenseman going into the season and/or postseason instead of casting him away for picks.

There's no way to account for what the Flyers did with Bourdon using the Capgeek calculator. The Flyers did the same thing with Bourdon last Season, and I discussed a few times on the board. Don't really know a lot of details about it and exactly how it works.Nor do I understand what the advantage of it is, versus sending him down to the AHL, where he is completely removed from the Cap.


Edit: Looking at Capgeek this morning, they have Bourdon on LTIR.
- MJL

Per CapGeek, it's a paperwork technicality for how LTIR is calculated.

I think if Mez stays healthy and after getting some games in, remember he hasnt played much in the last 2 years, he would then become a very good defenseman again and is worth keeping around, He is only 28 years old. Should be his prime.

Agreed. What will probably end up happening is Meszaros will be injured in short order and end up going on LTIR. Since the Flyers wouldn't get anything of value for him anyway, the big caveat is clearing his cap hit.
- PLindbergh31

You can choose pessimism, or optimism. I'm going to be optimistic and believe that Meszaros has moved past his injury issues, and with a little bit of time. Will find his game, and get back to the level he was at before all his problems

They'll likely get a lot more for Mesz at the trade deadline, so hanging on to him and building up his value is the right move.

Probably would have needed to trade a pick along with Mesz just to unload his contract now.
- bradleyc4

You're right.

Sometimes, timing is everything with these moves.